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Titel: new and need some help  BeitragVerfasst am: 15.07.2006, 23:15 Uhr



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I have installed the Kanotix64 version 2005-4, I believe. Just about figured out the hardware issues but having problems getting other stuff. I would like to add some screensavers and programs like openoffice. I tried the 32 bit version of debian awhile back and there was a program that would let you select items to be downloaded and installed. I tried kpackage but it only shows what I have not options to get other programs. I tried the Kanotix-Update-GUI but really didn't understand it very well. I did do the kernal update and then the computer had to reboot. After that I can no longer find my hdd's, floppy or cd. I have a 250g sata with pictures and music etc which I can no longer find. Before I could open Konqueror, media storage and there it was. I have tried to search the forum and found some posts but the answers were links to other post which were no longer there.

I have opened the konsole and did a su and apt-get update with no luck. This is the response that I receive:

root@MainKanotix:/home/john# apt-get update
Ign http://download.skype.com stable Release.gpg
Ign http://download.skype.com stable Release
Ign http://download.skype.com stable/non-free Packages
Get:1 http://www.andreas-loibl.de ./ Release.gpg [189B]
Err http://download.skype.com stable/non-free Packages
404 Not Found
Ign http://cp.yi.org ./ Release.gpg
Get:2 http://kanotix.com sid Release.gpg [189B]
Ign http://cp.yi.org ./ Release
Get:3 http://www.andreas-loibl.de ./ Release [704B]
Hit http://kanotix.com sid Release
Hit http://cp.yi.org ./ Packages
Hit http://kanotix.com sid/main Packages
Ign http://www.andreas-loibl.de ./ Packages
Hit http://kanotix.com sid/contrib Packages
Hit http://kanotix.com sid/non-free Packages
Hit http://kanotix.com sid/main Sources
Hit http://kanotix.com sid/contrib Sources
Hit http://kanotix.com sid/non-free Sources
Hit http://www.andreas-loibl.de ./ Packages
Fetched 706B in 1s (393B/s)
Failed to fetch http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/d ... ackages.gz 404 Not Found
Reading package lists... Done
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://download.skype.com stable/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/download.skype.com_linux_repos_debian_dists_stable_non-free_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
root@MainKanotix:/home/john#

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Just remember to talk slow Smilie and explain. Thanks,

John
 
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SaberBlaze
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 16.07.2006, 01:29 Uhr



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jbs1136 hat folgendes geschrieben::
and programs like openoffice


OpenOffice is already included in 2005-04.
 
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michael7
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 16.07.2006, 02:47 Uhr



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Zitat:
there was a program that would let you select items to be downloaded and installed

Perhaps you're referring to Synaptic. You can install it with KPackage or by using apt-get, which I suggest. Log in as root and type:
apt-get install synaptic
(It may ask you if you want to proceed and of course, answer Yes.)
And that's all there is to it.

Regarding Open Office, I'm not sure if the 64-bit version of Kanotix comes with Open Office because it's labeled "lite". You can use your newly installed Synaptic to install it, however.

Sorry, but I can't help you with skype.

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jbs1136
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 16.07.2006, 03:28 Uhr



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SaberBlaze,
I have the 64-lite version and not much was included. The iso was for a cd.

michael17,
I think Synaptic was it. Did I read somewhere in the manual not to use it to update Kanotix? Couldn't find it in KPackage so I opened konsole, root shell and typed in apt-get install synaptic and this is what I got:

root@MainKanotix:~# apt-get install synaptic
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Package synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
E: Package synaptic has no installation candidate
root@MainKanotix:~#

Do I maybe need to add somethings to my source.list? This is what is in it:

# Hibernate
deb http://cp.yi.org/apt/hibernate/ ./

# Kanotix
deb http://kanotix.com/files/debian sid main contrib non-free
deb-src http://kanotix.com/files/debian sid main contrib non-free

# Loibls Scripte
deb http://www.andreas-loibl.de/linux/debian/ ./


Thanks to you both for your help.

John
 
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hubi
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 16.07.2006, 03:48 Uhr



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You miss the debian repositories. Add this to /etc/apt/sources.list (there are US-mirrors as well):
Zitat:
# Unstable
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
# deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free

# Testing
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
# deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free

# Experimental
# deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free
# deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free


Do then:
# apt-get update

You can get synaptic then. About not getting connection to skype, I do not have an idea, maybe the repository is dead. But: I don't use it.

Hope it's a first step,
hubi

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jbs1136
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 16.07.2006, 05:44 Uhr



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hubi,

Thank You!!! That was what I was missing. Kpackage has all sorts of stuff in it now. I have open office and a bunch of kde stuff downloading now. Don't think I will need synaptic now. Kpackage works fine.

Thanks again, a great first step!!

John
 
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SaberBlaze
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 16.07.2006, 08:55 Uhr



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jbs1136 hat folgendes geschrieben::
SaberBlaze,
I have the 64-lite version and not much was included. The iso was for a cd.


Sorry about that Verlegen .
 
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jbs1136
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 19.07.2006, 16:43 Uhr



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SaberBlaze,

No problem, you tried to help and for that I thank you.

John
 
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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 19.07.2006, 18:04 Uhr
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Just remember, Not to do a dist-upgrade with Kpackage or Synaptic Winken Use apt-get

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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 20.07.2006, 21:46 Uhr



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thanks for that, I probably would have tried since that seems to be the easy way. Using the konsole reminds me of the old dos days and I was never very good there, always preferred the gui. I will remember that. but a question, can I do this from konsole or do I need to do it from somewhere else?

John
 
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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 20.07.2006, 21:56 Uhr



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Press Ctrl-Alt-F1 and it will put you into a text console. The gui system is still running in the background. You can enter a run "level" that does not run the gui in the background by typing in the following command: init 3
You can do what you want safely and then when you want to enter the run level where the gui system runs, just type: init 5.

-Crust
 
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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 20.07.2006, 23:29 Uhr



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Only thing to add to crust's comment is that you need to be root
to dist-upgrade the system.
ie.
Alt-CTRL-F1
Login as root
init 3
apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade
inti 5
 
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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 21.07.2006, 00:07 Uhr
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Also, if you are on dial-up, I don't know if I would do a dist-upgrade right now, (my opinion) I believe it is 638 to upgrade 30-40 something new to install and 2 on hold, I think it is something like 533mbs right now (give or take some). That would take a long time on dial-up, and you just can't pause or stop a d-u (dist-upgrade).

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jbs1136
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 23.07.2006, 04:36 Uhr



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guys, you just don't know how much that helped. I have run across the instructions to init3 and then I was lost. Did not know that there was init5 to get back to gui, I rebooted Smilie

Fortunately I have broadband (cable at 6kps or so). I finally treated myself to an extra! My first modem was a hayes 2400 baud. Yes, I am that old Smilie.

Thanks,

John
 
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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 23.07.2006, 05:01 Uhr
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Alt-CTRL-F1
Login as root
init 3
apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade
init 5 && exit

saves being stuck at tty and forgetting how to start X

re skype
add this to your sources list

# Skype
deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free

and then in a konsole sux , your passsword, then: apt-get update && apt-get install skype

This is not the latest linux 1.3 beta ..

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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 23.07.2006, 19:33 Uhr
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Hi John Winken

Actually I would do it this way, unless this has been fixed, or don't have to be done on the 64 version

Alt-CTRL-F1
Login as root
init 3
apt-get update
apt-get remove --purge dpkg-multicd
apt-get install dpkg-multicd
apt-get dist-upgrade

If it asks (dist-upgrade) to change a configuration file, the best bet would be "n" defaults and press enter

init 5 to get back to kde when d-u (dist-upgrade) is done.

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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 24.07.2006, 01:50 Uhr



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Hi jbs1136. You really make me feel old then! My first modem was a 1200 baud (half card size...which for those who aren't as old, meant that the modem was only half the depth of the computer...full size cards were the full depth of the computer and usually about 6 inches across!)

The computer was called an Explorer It was a 5Mhz XT clone, and had 1 half sized card slot, would do CGA graphics or monochrome, and had a 720K 3.5 inch floppy drive. (no hard drive, a 5 meg was available for about $700.00). My next computer was a Commadore Colt, a 10Mhz Xt clone that had (gasp) a 10 meg hard drive!
 
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jbs1136
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 24.07.2006, 19:06 Uhr



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Thanks,

will try this later tonight, have to go babysit one of my granddaughters.

kbOhae, I only mentioned the modem because it was late in the game when I finally settled at a place where I could get one. Was in the military stationed overseas. First computer, Timex Sinclair with 1k ram, no way to save and use a tv for a screen. After my oldest son and I discovered an interest we went for the big time and became the envy of the block, we bought a Commodore 64 and later bought a floppy drive connected by a cable. This was after we tried cassette tapes that didn't work too well. The job I had had computers but we only had dumb terminals with a printer. I had a neighbor that worked in the computer department and he let me sign out and bring home a "portable" computer and modem. Had to take the phone receiver and place it in the "cups" on the modem. Now that's old.

Have fun guys. If the rest of the people on this board are like the ones I have met so far then I am glad I picked Kanotix (it was recommended) and joined this forum.

John

ps: Senior moment. I forgot to mention that after rebooting this morning system sounds are on but I still have to do alsaconf to get music.
 
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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 24.07.2006, 19:37 Uhr



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@jbs1136, may be you're 10 years older, but my first computer, hope I can call it a computer, was one wit lots of transistors an diodes, papercards, and paperpunsher with bulbvalves 1 for each number. Prorg.langg. pure 6bit code. Early in the 60'es. No I'm not a grandpa, to young. My next was a programable Calc in the 70's and than the first own build Z80. Next same as you but fom Sinclair(still in good condition) and following by atari800xl and co, IBM-PC with yes! 64KB Ram, XT with 256KB than the whole line on until now.
 
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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 24.07.2006, 22:17 Uhr



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My first modem was a 1200 baud (half card size...which for those who aren't as old, meant that the modem was only half the depth of the computer..


I can dig it--I had a 900 baud & used it for a local bulletin board (only one of two in my community) & thought it was blazing fast!! That was back when whole programs consisted of ONE file, rather than being scattered all over the HD with dll's. 2MB of ram was considered powerful!! Before Windows I wrote batch files in DOS to activate apps from a batchfile created menu--no GUI. Sigh...I'm only 57...

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Titel: Antique Computers  BeitragVerfasst am: 24.07.2006, 23:32 Uhr



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Hi jbs1136. My first computer was a Sinclair ZX-81 Same as your Timex-Sinclair, but I built mine from a kit. Used a cassette tape recorder to save. I had the 16k ram module. Later added a TI99/4a keyboard in a case that a friend made (he had a Timex Sinclair, and added a keyboard too...he worked at a machine shop at the time...these keyboard cases were really nice!), connected with a DB25. Had to cut all the traces on the bottom of the keyboard and rewire it. I even bought a set of key lables (someplace sold a set for the Timex Sinclair). Also added a rewired Atari 2600 joystick connected with a DB9. Later added an external regilator to drop the 9V from the power supply to 7v. This was to prevent the 5v internal regilator from overheating. I even made a foam-filled suitcase to carry it in. Everything but the 9" B&W tv fit in there.

I think I still have everything in the suitcase in a closet (except the TV)...its been several years, but it might even still work! The programs on cassette are probably no good anymore though.

[quote]"First computer, Timex Sinclair with 1k ram, no way to save and use a tv for a screen. "
John[/quote]
 
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Titel: Antique Computers  BeitragVerfasst am: 25.07.2006, 08:26 Uhr



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My first "computer" was a TI 2500 Datamath 1974, and shortly later the SR 56 "Little Professor". You remember those little wonders of technology? We played a lot with them - mostly interested in producing those funny overflow errors. Winken

Then I spent 1 year in an insurance company's datacenter, where everybody had to wear those white "doctor coats". Most of the time I was busy cheching and sorting those punched cards, or I would carry around thounsands of those big tapes. It was a Nixdorf system, I was very rarely allowed to touch the "control console".

After University and Football the chain of PC started, and computer became boring.

Greetings,
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Titel: RE: Antique Computers  BeitragVerfasst am: 25.07.2006, 12:44 Uhr



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You dont need to install dpkg-mulitcd.
 
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Titel: RE: Antique Computers  BeitragVerfasst am: 25.07.2006, 18:00 Uhr



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@slam, my last contact wit punchincards was 1983, at the Uni-Stuttgart. Sorting 500 cards in less than 15 minutes by hand with no errors.
 
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jbs1136
Titel: RE: Antique Computers  BeitragVerfasst am: 25.07.2006, 19:28 Uhr



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Okay, I give. I didn't start with computers until the 80's and then only as a user. Play games and write letters. I finally retired and got interested. This is my second computer that I have built in the last year and I am now trying to learn something about what is going on. Programming is not for me, I tried some of it and got very confused. I do like playing with linux and want to get it to the point that I can dump windows totally. I think I have found a distro that I like.

Never knew this thread would start a "Way back when. . ." but it was fun reading.

Later,

John
 
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