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h2
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 24.07.2006, 21:29 Uhr



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On mine that's not the one that's used, it's another of the main options to the left that actually gets the real cpu / mobo temp. On mine, it's the w83627thf option, your's will probably be different. Of course, your mobo has to support sensors etc in the first place.

Of course, cpu current temp will be grayed out because it's an output, you can't tell it the current temp, or change it, it's a reading of the current temp, not user modifiable. maximum, minimum, etc are mofifiable.

Read up on lm-sensors before proceeding I would recommend.
 
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kstevek
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 24.07.2006, 22:16 Uhr



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Ok update on the original problem, after finding no log files with any info to help I decided to view it as possible hardware issue. My computers live in a caravan with me and the ambient temperature in the last few weeks has been quite high even with door and windows open, my mobo has no usefull sensor chips to work with lm-sensors so I use a thermistor fixed to the chip touching the core. Temp has been getting to 45c midday on chip which is not too bad really though normal is about 39c. I have in the past replaced the psu fan and arrranged to be able to turn it down with a fanbus but had been getting "hot computer" smells so went back to full power. My psu is of unknown history too so first off I bought a cheap generic 400w new replacement for £20, whilst inside the box I cleaned all the dust out (reasonably ok actually) and reseated the heatsink with new arctic silver and checked all power plugs.
Since firing everything up again my system has been stable for quite a few days through some serious summer heat so maybe the psu was a bit faulty, who knows?
Today Ive found some interesting info about testing psu output and Im going to test the old unit to see if voltages are ok...
Best of luck to everyone whos having freezing problems, check your power supply... Mr. Green

cheers kstevek

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h2
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 24.07.2006, 22:32 Uhr



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I had a bad psu that caused random boot failures, I'd spray contact cleaner on the mobo power connector, it would fix it for a week or two, then it would do the same thing again.

finally I broke down and bought a new psu, and it worked perfectly, never failed to boot again.

There was no other symptom except the random 'failed to boot', when it booted, it was fine.

So sometimes psu and connector issues can be very subtle.

And heat, with the often accompanying power surges, can also fry out your systems.

If you don't use a battery backup unit as your surge protector, it's quite possible your mobo and other hardware will slowly start degenerating over time as they get hit with millisecond power drops etc. I had a mobo die from that last year. Then I bought a battery backup unit.

During summer power fluctuations should be expected, more and more and energy grids become increasingly strained by record heat waves.

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2radical
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 24.07.2006, 22:46 Uhr



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If you don't use a battery backup unit as your surge protector, it's quite possible your mobo and other hardware will slowly start degenerating over time as they get hit with millisecond power drops etc. I had a mobo die from that last year. Then I bought a battery backup unit.

I agree 100% I had a mb die as well I think 3+ yrs ago, so when I bought this box it was included. It's come in handy twice since I've had it due once to lightning & once to a power outage.

Edit: thanks h2--I since read up on lmsensors...

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ironwalker
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 25.07.2006, 18:52 Uhr



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Just to update,I have not experianced the problem again.
I have updated to newest kernel so it may have been an issue with my last kernel,the config,and what software and hardware I have.

As I mentioned earlier,its not you standard freezeing,caused by heat,hardware,dirt,etc etc.The mouse worked,thus not a standard pc freeze.
No key combos worked at all.

Oh well,chalked up to gremlins and ghosts.
 
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kstevek
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 28.07.2006, 23:02 Uhr



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My earlier optimism was missplaced...

Still having the same freezing problem, I cant replicate it at will either, couldnt find anything in any log files that I could find, new psu, clean and tidy in the case, replugged everything, temps good (cooler here now today anyway), newish kernel, tried removing xsreensaver to see if it helped, and every time it happens the mouse pointer still moves but cant click anything so a weird type of freeze/lockup.

If anyone can think what else I could try or what sort of errors might cause this specific type of freeze please join in,

cheers kstevek

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2radical
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 29.07.2006, 00:44 Uhr



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I used to think it was specific to hardware, but now I'm thinking it must be a software glitch somewhere. My problems with freezing have inexplicably disappeared, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed at this point.
It IS weird. My error logs didn't didn't even reflect what had happened, which I think they should, because I had to hit the reset button on my UPS to reboot.
My MB temps are at or below normal, & I cleaned everything thoroughly. I'm running Linux 2.6.16.16-kanotix-1 i686 [ KANOTIX 2006 Easter] No screensavers.
My mouse pointer didn't move, & keyboard was dead. My mouse pointer is occasionally jerky & sometimes disappears off the edge of the screen, but reappears with continued movement & cursing. I'm not sure about the effectiveness of the cursing, but I can't give it up.

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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 29.07.2006, 11:32 Uhr



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Guys ther is a prob. with heat and the soldering for the psu connectors.

When running mobo's long overheated, the soldering inside on layer 2 or 3 of the mobo, could get broken. The copper they used is as thin as a hair. Tempr. at the psu connectors ran at 180°C and the soldering flew away.

An other aspect are the capacitores. If they run for a long time at high tempr. they can get dry. No electrolyte inside the capacitors. Means no powering of the componets. Happend to me on at last 2 mobos and a TV.

Also I had a mobo with a buildt-in life-timer. After it has reached ist endtime, the mobo do not run again. This mobo was one of the fist intel LX ones.
 
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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 29.07.2006, 15:57 Uhr



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schnorrer: You have more experience & knowledge than I, so I take your word for it. However since I'm still able to use this & it hasn't froze for quite a while, I'm not going to go get a new MB (yet). I've had one other MB die after 4 yrs. or so of use. Not sure of the exact source on board, but behaviour became more & more erratic until it would no longer boot & I had to get a whole new system. An expensive prospect. I hope that doesn't happen here anytime soon.

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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 29.07.2006, 16:07 Uhr



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I hope too. Here, where I live, we got also troubles with other PC's and OS's. Freezing unconditionally, do not find formerly correct installed HW .....

btw. this happens now the second time. 2001 was the year with the same troubles. Though, it looks like a timebomb to me.
Computer architecture is now at a point, where erverthing is changed.
 
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