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etorix - 31.07.2006, 01:46 Uhr
Titel: KDE-3.5.4 is in :: exercise caution
ok, its here,seems ok
mostly
gardyloo - 31.07.2006, 02:08 Uhr
Titel: RE: KDE-3.5.4 is in :: exercise caution
This is basically a caution. I dist-upgraded. Things seemed to go pretty fine. However, browsing in Firefox (1.5.0.4-3) is kind of wacky at the moment. Much text won't show up until the mouse cursor is positioned over it, and the layouts are borked. Just a warning!
piper - 31.07.2006, 03:28 Uhr
Titel: RE: KDE-3.5.4 is in :: exercise caution
Ok, I did 2 d-u's, one I dropped down to init 3 and it went smooth, fonts look horrible

The second one I used h2's script, again all went smooth, fonts look horrible Winken

I will work on fixing my fonts, otherwise very smooth for me (maybe not for everyone)

No problems with firefox (except fonts), themes and extensions work no problem so far

EDIT: I have been using tahoma fonts lately instead of my favorite, (freesans bold) what I did to fix the problem I had was to change fonts in firefox, close it, open it and change fonts again, close it, open it and everything is fine now Winken
h2 - 31.07.2006, 04:07 Uhr
Titel: RE: KDE-3.5.4 is in :: exercise caution
Exercise caution, do not do this dist-upgrade, here are two screen shots of what is going wrong with gtk apps, all of them, including firefox, for some users, like me:

This is the 'help' -> 'about' item in gtkam:
bad gtk: http://techpatterns.com/images/web/gtkam.png
good gtk: http://techpatterns.com/images/web/gtkam-full.jpg

If this happens to you, every webpage you visit will look like the bad gtk shot, only first word of each line displays, per column. Very disconcerting.

kde stuff is alll working fine from what I can see so far.
h2 - 31.07.2006, 05:32 Uhr
Titel: RE: KDE-3.5.4 is in :: exercise caution
I restored the box that had the broken gtk, then installed only the new libgtk2.0 stuff, to see what caused the gtk apps to fail, but with the new gtk libs and no new kde, the gtk apps are fine, so it looks like it might be some mixture of kde 3.5.4 and the new gtk stuff, or just kde 3.5.4 alone
h2 - 31.07.2006, 07:20 Uhr
Titel: RE: KDE-3.5.4 is in :: exercise caution
solution from debian kde team for above issue:

Zitat:
you have to go in kcontrol
disable antialiased fonts
save
renable again and save
there was a bug in 3.5.3 that made kcontrol use a bad setting name in the config file
it's reverted in 3.5.4 but has that effect for /some/ 3.5.3 users

eco2geek - 31.07.2006, 07:47 Uhr
Titel: RE: KDE-3.5.4 is in :: exercise caution
I didn't have the "disappearing text" issue, but the fonts in GTK apps were quite bitmappy after the upgrade. Setting sub-pixel hinting to Full took care of that.
h2 - 31.07.2006, 07:56 Uhr
Titel: RE: KDE-3.5.4 is in :: exercise caution
resetting the antialiasing fix is apparently also taking care of the grainy fonts in gtk apps too, that's a very easy fix, so try that first if you see this issue.
drb - 31.07.2006, 08:18 Uhr
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Thanks h2. Disappearing fonts back again as normal!

drb
anticapitalista - 31.07.2006, 09:44 Uhr
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I'll upgrade tonight, but before I do I have a question.
I don't have kcontrol centre on my box, so how do I go about (if necessary) disabling/enabling antialiasing fonts?
Thanks
hubi - 31.07.2006, 11:03 Uhr
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KDE 3.5.4 seems to work great, still have disappearing fonts in synaptic, do not use firefox but mozilla, fonts were always great with it.

hubi
drb - 31.07.2006, 11:14 Uhr
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hubi, did you try unchecking / checking anti-aliasing fonts in control centre? This solved the Firefox problem and I don't appear to have any other problems in synaptic etc. etc.

drb
stryder - 31.07.2006, 12:48 Uhr
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Can anyone tell me if these fonts/gtk problems are confined to KDE? I'm usually in xfce.
hubi - 31.07.2006, 16:01 Uhr
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There seems to be a reproducable problem with mountig as user (DVD, CD, USB-devices), I only get the following message by kio_media_mounthelper:
Zitat:
A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")

Changing permissions in /etc/dbus-1/system.d/hal.conf does not help in any way.

hubi
op4latino - 31.07.2006, 16:26 Uhr
Titel: Re: RE: KDE-3.5.4 is in :: exercise caution
Zitat:
there was a bug in 3.5.3 that made kcontrol use a bad setting name in the config file

I wonder if someone could get the diff of the config file before and after doing that fix, and create a script applying that diff. In that way, we can avoid going back and forward in X


or can be this done with dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-conf ?
hubi - 31.07.2006, 16:50 Uhr
Titel: Re: RE: KDE-3.5.4 is in :: exercise caution
drb,
unfortunatelly, unchecking/checking AA did not help here (did it as root because of synaptic).

About mounting as user:
pmount and pumount are working.

hubi
h2 - 31.07.2006, 21:14 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: KDE-3.5.4 is in :: exercise caution
I can reproduce the mounting error.

the drive is recognized, but not mounted. Icon appears on desktop, mount option is present, but when tried that error message pops up.

Thanks for noticing that hubi, now to find the solution
hubi - 31.07.2006, 22:24 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: KDE-3.5.4 is in :: exercise caution
Just reported a bug against kdebase-kio-plugins 3.5.4-2. Think that's the candidate for the mounting problems.
hubi
h2 - 31.07.2006, 22:34 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: KDE-3.5.4 is in :: exercise caution
great, shouldn't be long for the solution.

Music cds etc seem to play fine though, since they aren't actually mounted. Only data type mounting isn't working.
captagon - 31.07.2006, 22:41 Uhr
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If you like to mount the devices graphically, then you can take the filemanager of XFCE named thunar (apt-get install thunar).

MfG T.
hubi - 31.07.2006, 23:11 Uhr
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Just got an answer to my bugreport:

Zitat:
The root of the problem is bug #377689 in HAL. Feel free to read that
for more details. You can work around the issue for now by ensuring
that all your drives have lines in /etc/fstab with the "user" option.

Cheers,
Christopher Martin


It was my second bugreport at Debian in my life, but what I really adore is, the answers are delivered quickly, precisely and very,very politely.

hubi
h2 - 31.07.2006, 23:49 Uhr
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Yes, I had the first part of the solution from the debian qt-kde team in about 1 hour after posting on their irc channel, same story, solution, polite.

Hal bug:
http://www.archivum.info/linux.debian.b ... 03124.html
herring - 01.08.2006, 00:22 Uhr
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I am new to kanotix, and did a "test install" (2005-04) weekend before last (7/22) to play around with. I was nervous about using kanotix because it's based on unstable, while on my old system I'd been using libranet that I'd updated to sarge.

During my test install I could easily apt-get some kde things like celestia and an internationalization package. This past weekend (7/29) I found I couldn't, at least not without upgrading some bits of kde to 3.5. This thread cleared it all up for me, I was wondering if I was going nuts.

Two questions, because I'm unfamiliar with how unstable and testing are updated:

1. Does this type of thing happen often, where versions of important software are upgraded (i.e. 3.4.x --> 3.5.x) within the release?
2. How long should I expect to wait before it's safe to upgrade all of kde to 3.5 so I can get my toys?
hubi - 01.08.2006, 02:11 Uhr
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For the mounting issue with KDE 3.5.4 Kano provided informations in the german language forum for a workaround (which might be gone after the next update of hal, or better: might be irrelevant by an upgrade from Sid).

Here it positivly affects USB-devices (sticks, hard-disks - YES: I can mount them!), it does not affect DVDs or CDs here (IDE-connected DVD-writer).

The workaround is to edit /etc/dbus-1/system.d/hal.conf as root and change the last paragraph to this format:
Zitat:
<!-- You can change this to a more suitable user, or make per-group -->
<policy group="plugdev">
<!--
<allow send_interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.SystemPowerManagement"/>
<allow send_interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.LaptopPanel"/>
-->
<allow send_interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume"/>
<allow send_interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.Crypto"/>
</policy>
Just check if the user is member of the group plugdev.

Just for the sake of good sleep, I backed up the original hal.conf:
# cp /etc/dbus-1/system.d/hal.conf /etc/dbus-1/system.d/hal.conf.original

Please check also if you really do not need the first two lines, otherwise delete the "arrows".

It might be the maximum I can get out of this situation.

hubi
DeepDayze - 01.08.2006, 02:41 Uhr
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The fix for the poor fonts in FF and gtk worked for me. Just unchecked, saved then rechecked "Use antialiased fonts" box in kcontrol. Now I am happy Smilie
h2 - 01.08.2006, 03:22 Uhr
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herring, it happens every few months. Hard to say how long to wait, cdroms are not being read correctly if it's a data cd still, so the fixes have to come down the pipe, no guarantees. And if you have weird enough toys, you might be the first person to find a new issue. So you can't say for sure.

to mount data cdroms, you have to do this currently:

pmount /dev/hdc [assuming your cdrom is actually /dev/hdc
pumount /dev/hdc [to unmount]

run this command to see what your system is using as link:
ls -l /dev/cdrom

your output will look like this:
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Jul 31 11:07 /dev/cdrom -> hdc

music cdroms work fine without this though
jbs1136 - 01.08.2006, 07:32 Uhr
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Did a du today using the du-fixes-h2.sh script. Read this thread very carefully and h2 instructions more than once before I began. wrote down info to follow. Really easy to follow and everything explained. Loaded kde up real nice for me. Did the bit with kcontrol on the fonts. Even got my ati X1600 pro card installed. The only problem that I am having is the KDE keyboard tool is showing an error:

"error changing keyboard layout to 'us' ".

I get err instead of a flag. Everything works okay though.

This was my first du and have only had kanotix for about a week. Can't believe how smooth it went. Thanks h2.

John
hubi - 01.08.2006, 14:27 Uhr
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Got CD-ROM/DVD mounting via icon now as well. You have to comment the line starting with /dev/cdrom in /etc/fstab like that:
Zitat:
# /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0


Source:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepor ... ug=377689+

hubi
devil - 01.08.2006, 14:37 Uhr
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hubi,
works here without commenting in fstab, with the new fix.

greetz
devil
drb - 01.08.2006, 17:21 Uhr
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hal-kanotix upgrade fixed the problem; no comments against CDRom fstab entries but had to comment out sda1 to get USB stick to work.

drb
2radical - 01.08.2006, 17:38 Uhr
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Just so I understand, I checked what groups I belonged to:

root@WorldsEnd:/home/joyboy# /usr/bin/groups joyboy
joyboy : joyboy dialout fax voice cdrom floppy tape sudo audio dip video games users usb scanner camera plugdev fuse

I noticed the debian fix shows
<policy group="powerdev">
<allow
which is in my hal.conf file as well, and hubi's fix shows
<policy group="plugdev">
<!--
And I was wondering what the difference means & subsequently which one would be best for me to use? Also when or if an upgrade fix becomes avaliable for this HAL problem, will it be necessary to edit hal.conf once again?
BTW, I see that the -w switch is necessary in order to force pmount to mount r/w
Thanks.
drb - 01.08.2006, 18:06 Uhr
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2radical

I did a d-u - it includes a hal-kanotix upgrade. This rewrites hal.conf during the set up to include both groups.

drb
2radical - 01.08.2006, 19:19 Uhr
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Thanks..
fantasio - 01.08.2006, 19:43 Uhr
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Last hal-kanotix upgrade don't work for me. Now, when I try to mount a data cd-dvd, Konqueror sends me a error message: "Permissions denied".



Greets.
slam - 01.08.2006, 19:53 Uhr
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fantassio: Add yourself to the plugdev group. (System/Kuser/Select Yourself/Edit/Groups/....)
That does the trick.
Greetings,
Chris
h2 - 01.08.2006, 19:55 Uhr
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fantasio, you have to comment out the cdrom line in /etc/fstab

/dev/cdrom /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 users,noauto 0 0

place a # in front of it, save, then reboot, and your cdrom should read data cds again
DeepDayze - 01.08.2006, 19:56 Uhr
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There is a fix for the hal issue now? If so will try it out tonight
h2 - 01.08.2006, 20:07 Uhr
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deepdayze, it's a kanotix patch for hal that will be installed with a dist-upgrade, then you just have to commnet out that line in /etc/fstab
fantasio - 01.08.2006, 20:33 Uhr
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Thanks,Slam, my user was in plugdev group. Comment out the cdrom line in fstab works. Now, I can mount cds in Konqueror.

Thanks a lot!

Greetings.
h2 - 01.08.2006, 21:42 Uhr
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the du-fixes-h2 script now has the option to run a fix for the cd/dvd rom mounting issue.

It will look for cdrom and dvd entries in /etc/fstab and comment them out if it finds them. It will let you know if it finds them. If you have two dvd roms or two cdroms it won't work, although it will probably get at least one of them.
hubi - 01.08.2006, 23:25 Uhr
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h2,
I really should go on a looooong offline holiday just to use your scripts to bring my Kanotix boxes back on track when I come back.

You are doing a fantastic job,
hubi
michael7 - 02.08.2006, 00:06 Uhr
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h2,

I share hubi's feelings. There are many fine people who post here and contribute and you are certainly one of them. Thank you.

Michael
DeepDayze - 02.08.2006, 01:53 Uhr
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Thanks h2, the update plus commenting out my cd/dvd drives in fstab did the trick. I can now mount my data cd/dvd's properly with no error. Hopefully there will be a longterm fix coming for this glitch
stryder - 02.08.2006, 06:43 Uhr
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Just in case there's someone else asking if non-kde users are affected - I just d-ued and everything is working fine. I'm on xfce.
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